10 meter international potential purchase

GenMil · Post by **GenMil** » Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:11 pm

Ok, so the clean machine location and condition are a little much. I learned the original deck was covered by formica, which scares me a little as to what lies beneath.

Low and behold I found a 10 meter international. I spent 2 hours looking her over today top to bottom. New motors, new bottom paint, lots of potential. No way to hear her run. Here are my concerns:

Motors have sat for 8 months. It looks like rain water about 6-8" deep is sitting in the engine compartment. Is that high enough to get into any internals on this setup?

At the aft end, is the large fuel tank cover (maybe 11' by 6'). Seems soft, but I looked under and everything is clean except the 2x4 lid/cover supports which look to be in bad need of replacement. the rest of the area is squeeky clean and solid.

The fly bridge helm gauges and switches look well sun worn. Are these a beast to clean up and replace individual gauges/switches?

Both the shower and v birth doors are gone, they were the interesting rounded electric ones. Easy to find?

Interior is in good to great shape aside from the few panels with red/grey cloth covers. They are worn and peeling up in spots, thinking of redoing with something more utilitarian and new.

Fridge is missing, looks to be an oversized model. Probably easy to acquire.

prowlersfish · Post by **prowlersfish** » Mon Nov 26, 2012 9:33 pm

Make sure the engines will turn over , and the doors you maybe out of luck or may get lucky if you can find one being parted out

GenMil · Post by **GenMil** » Mon Nov 26, 2012 10:12 pm

Will take a large crescent wrench. Thank you for the tip.

RWS · Post by **RWS** » Tue Nov 27, 2012 6:11 am

first of all, perspective is the rule of the day.

the boats you are considering are 30 years old.

make no offer without a contingent survey. PERIOD.

the aft deck on the International is removable.

It is also balsa cored.

There are six factory fittings along the aft side that are prone to water intrusion.

Any damage to this deck is easily repairable for someone who is handy and wants to invest the time.

The cabin fridge can be found at any sears or appliance store for about $150.

The cockpit fridge/icemaker combo is more specific a U-Line model about $1,500.

Cresent wrench?

Why not use the key and starter?

Is this a derelict vessel?

If you are not interested in investing a great deal of time and hard work I strongly suggest you look for something less than 5 years old.

With a competent survey, you will better know what you are dealing with.

These are well designed and engineered boats, however any boat left to go to seed will have issues and these take time, effort and money.

Sometimes the combination of the three can eclipse the actual value.

That is why some boats become derelict.

REMEMBER THE SURVEY !

GOOD LUCK !

RWS

prowlersfish · Post by **prowlersfish** » Tue Nov 27, 2012 7:00 am

I agree fully with RWS , with the exption

"If you are not interested in investing a great deal of time and hard work I strongly suggest you look for something less than 5 years old. "

I feel that there are many fine older boats out there But All boats even new ones need you to invest a great deal of time and hard work . or have a very large check book

gettaway · Post by **gettaway** » Tue Nov 27, 2012 10:20 am

RWS wrote:first of all, perspective is the rule of the day.

the boats you are considering are 30 years old.

make no offer without a contingent survey. PERIOD.

the aft deck on the International is removable.

It is also balsa cored.

There are six factory fittings along the aft side that are prone to water intrusion.

Any damage to this deck is easily repairable for someone who is handy and wants to invest the time.

The cabin fridge can be found at any sears or appliance store for about $150.

The cockpit fridge/icemaker combo is more specific a U-Line model about $1,500.

Cresent wrench?

Why not use the key and starter?

Is this a derelict vessel?

If you are not interested in investing a great deal of time and hard work I strongly suggest you look for something less than 5 years old.

With a competent survey, you will better know what you are dealing with.

These are well designed and engineered boats, however any boat left to go to seed will have issues and these take time, effort and money.

Sometimes the combination of the three can eclipse the actual value.

That is why some boats become derelict.

REMEMBER THE SURVEY !

GOOD LUCK !

RWS

+++++1

GenMil · Post by **GenMil** » Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:02 am

I appreciate the information, I am not easily dissuaded by hard work. The boat is not a derelict. The previous owner dry docked it 2 years back when they ran out of funds. The subsequent owner then repainted the bottom, and put new engines in. Until it was dry docked, it was used consistently. The Florida sun has done a little damage to the upper help controls, and many of the items I listed above seem to be related to sitting uncovered in dry dock for the time.

Starting it is not an option unfortunately. I do have plenty of money to bring her back up to shape, but I wanted all of your feedback too so I can make a good decision.

May as well assume the worst, if I have them turn on shore power I could bump the motors over but I thought a wrench would be faster and safer. I saw receipts from the motors purchase and every bit of them looks new (new motor smell even). Hoses, risers etc.

I know about soft decks, bad stringer and wet cores a little. stuck my head and flashlight under the aft area looking for any huge surprises.

I know numbers matter, so I am trying to get the boat as is for 5K. If I have to put 5K into her to get the cabin cleaned up, motors running well, and a few other items I could live with that. 10-20K? Probably not although I am all for upgrading items as time goes on.

Happy to hear more thoughts, concerns etc. Thank you.

Update: Regarding the bed at the front, can it be modified to be even 1 ft larger? Seems somewhat small and awkward to sleep 2 people.

hmc · Post by **hmc** » Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:28 am

5K WONT go very far

Commissionpoint · Post by **Commissionpoint** » Tue Nov 27, 2012 11:28 am

So this is a 10m Conv.?

Hey if you can get it for 5 grand and its not a total POS you should have a pretty decent canvas to start your masterpiece on.

Pics by any chance?

GenMil · Post by **GenMil** » Tue Nov 27, 2012 1:07 pm

Yep

Commissionpoint · Post by **Commissionpoint** » Tue Nov 27, 2012 4:11 pm

Oh F/B Express. Cool.

Gonna get a survey done?

GenMil · Post by **GenMil** » Tue Nov 27, 2012 4:13 pm

Can a survey be done on a boat that wont run in dry dock? What can I expect to pay?

Commissionpoint · Post by **Commissionpoint** » Tue Nov 27, 2012 4:16 pm

+/- 20 bux a foot for a decent one with no sea trail. Well worth the money.

For more info on tracking down someone qualified in your area and general info you can look here.

http://www.marinesurvey.org/index.html

guglielmo6160 · Post by **guglielmo6160** » Tue Dec 04, 2012 9:45 pm

5k for that boat is ,,,,, not so bad

Commissionpoint · Post by **Commissionpoint** » Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:30 am

guglielmo6160 wrote:5k for that boat is ,,,,, not so bad

If it floats........