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Hey guys. This is America remember? Home of the free? Nobody should have to carry an identity card based on their race. I'm surprised at you Vet's. You guys put yourselves in the line of fire to preserve our freedoms, but you think it's okay to take somebody else's away based on their accent or the color of their skin? You should be ashamed of yourselves. Home of the free remember? Free? only if you're white? Is that it?


Peter,


Do you have any idea what your saying here? Do you have any idea how insulting your statement is?

Do you know the present federal law states, that people who come to this country legally must carry a GREEN card? Do you know the present federal law says when you become a citizen, you must carry a card on their person, that states your a legally, a citizen.

This has nothing to do with race, skin color, but any person from what ever country their from, have ID on them to show the reason their in this country.

Only people like you try to make it about race or skin color. The biggest racist in this country right now is setting in OUR WHITEHOUSE.

I'm getting sick and tired of you bring up the Vets also and making statements of what we think. You have no idea what I'm thinking. I've been in two war zones, so don't you ever use me (us) in a statement about what I (we) think.


And your telling me,,,I should be ashamed of myself. For that statement, you have no idea of the contempt I now have for you. I've been hit on, *** on and shot at, you have a lot of gall making that statement sonny boy!

I'm so angry I could go on and on, but I won't. But from now on, if you stay or go, as far as I'm concerned, your not welcome on this forum, and I will never recognize your even here. No type of an apology will help you either.

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its about basic fairness.

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Take a deep breath now...relax...I guess I'm not making myelf clear.

Fistly I didn't, and wouldn't call anyone a Nazi, thats just silly.

I'm only saying that the cost of freedom has been, and is too high to let it get slowly eroded by laws such as the recent legislation in Arizona... that is the whole point here, it's about erosion of freedom. If you don't see that, then you're fooling yourself.

For five minutes turn off Fox, try to find yourself any unbiased journalistic source, something not right-wing or left-wing and look at the thousands and thousands of people, from Washington, to California, to Arizona who are protesting. Fortunately the Arizona Legislature has pulled back, but I think that they have in fact accomplished their goal... of focusing Washington on the next big issue to tackle.

If you don't think it's about race, ask yourselves how many fat, middle-age, balding white guys are going to have to prove they are in the country legally.

I'm going to ignore some of the other less pleasant verbage, as apparently I've touched another nerve. Hope you read this, but I doubt it.
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alexander38;I wasn't aware that illegal aliens from latin america had anything to do with 911...my bad
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ALL ILLEGALS NOT JUST SPANISH ONES YOU RACIST ! AND YOU CALLED US NAZI'S WITH THAT ARMBAND REMARK YOU DUMB-MASS. you're the reason we should close OUR border with Canada and not take any of you in. And you've never said why YOU came to OUR country if that Socialist place to the North is so great ? Hell up there you have no 1st or 2nd amendment and you calling me a Nazi could land your ass in jail for hate speech, seein' how my grand-dad was a Russian Jew. And he came here thur the front door in 1945.(thanks to Gen. G.S.Patton) I just hope we never meet face to face.
I wouldn't use the Nazi crap to make a point again if I was you!

That's the last time I'll speak to you here or about boats you sir to me are not here.
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alexander38; do you enjoy twisting and complely missunderstanding everything I say ? read the friggin post...how are we suppoed to have any meaningful debate with reactions like that?

racist?

name calling?

the remark about arm band, although [arguably] inflammatory is nowhere near as inflammatory as yours.

911; read your own post.

hint;..arm bands denote 2 classes of citizens....kind of like white and brown skin color in Arizona...[is this really that difficult a concept to understand and debate civily?]
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I forgot the AMEN,
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Re: its about basic fairness.

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Peter wrote:Take a deep breath now...relax...I guess I'm not making myelf clear.

Fistly I didn't, and wouldn't call anyone a Nazi, thats just silly.

I'm only saying that the cost of freedom has been, and is too high to let it get slowly eroded by laws such as the recent legislation in Arizona... that is the whole point here, it's about erosion of freedom. If you don't see that, then you're fooling yourself.

For five minutes turn off Fox, try to find yourself any unbiased journalistic source, something not right-wing or left-wing and look at the thousands and thousands of people, from Washington, to California, to Arizona who are protesting. Fortunately the Arizona Legislature has pulled back, but I think that they have in fact accomplished their goal... of focusing Washington on the next big issue to tackle.

If you don't think it's about race, ask yourselves how many fat, middle-age, balding white guys are going to have to prove they are in the country legally.

I'm going to ignore some of the other less pleasant verbage, as apparently I've touched another nerve. Hope you read this, but I doubt it.
You definitely touched a nerve. You clearly tried to draw attention by making two distinct statements. One was painting a picture of wearing arm bands - any person with a 5th grade education would have been able to connect the dots and draw the Nazi reference. The second was your criticism of the Veterans on here. This I take the most offense to, how dare you. I am the daughter of a decorated Vietnam Veteran. He strongly opposes illegal immigration because he has fought for our freedom and lost more than you will ever know.

Before you throw out more innuendo and then attempt to take a "higher" road, you should understand a little more about what is being discussed here.

Bottom line - if you are in this country illegally, then you have zero rights and you do not deserve to be here.
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:D MTP doesn't deserve you 8)
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alexander38 wrote::D MTP doesn't deserve you 8)
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What's unbelievable

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... is how anyone with an opinion different in the slightest gets ripped on. This place is supposed to be an open forum to exchange views, not a GD troll haven. MOST if the posts on here are great, entertaining and with a good dash of salty humour.

You should quit waving the Constitution around and read the First Amendment again, which covers the right to voice your opinion without fear of retribution. Correct me if I'm wrong, that includes what Peter has to say, whether you like it or not. As well as what YOU have to say on any subject you choose.

I always thought under the bluff and bluster there was a tight community of boaters here, I hope I wasn't wrong.
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Re: What's unbelievable

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N2itive wrote:... is how anyone with an opinion different in the slightest gets ripped on. This place is supposed to be an open forum to exchange views, not a GD troll haven. MOST if the posts on here are great, entertaining and with a good dash of salty humour.

You should quit waving the Constitution around and read the First Amendment again, which covers the right to voice your opinion without fear of retribution. Correct me if I'm wrong, that includes what Peter has to say, whether you like it or not. As well as what YOU have to say on any subject you choose.

I always thought under the bluff and bluster there was a tight community of boaters here, I hope I wasn't wrong.
Oh please. The reality is that if we were all face to face, we would be having the same conversation with differing opinions but we would be able to slap each other on the back and move forward. This thread gives no indication on the boater community. Stop being a drama queen.
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alexander38 wrote::D MTP doesn't deserve you 8)

It's so true :lol:
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Post by larglo »

bfly71,

You are one cool lady and I hope MPT knows it!


Larry
PS. I kinda thinks he dose.
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Drama queen?

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The drama was well underway before I showed up. Lots of how-dare-yous and I'll-never-speak-to-you-agains.

That being said, what you say about how these conversations would go if face-to-face is true. People are way less inhibited in online conversations.

What made me post was how quickly people misconstrued what Peter had to say and twisted his words to suit what they wanted to hear.

He never said anyone was a Nazi, nor did he disrespect any Vets, just asked if this was really the sentiment of people who fought to keep our countries free.

I guess he just got tired of all the whining about the Gov't. Well, I'll leave you all with a phrase from the far right...

AMERICA- LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT. :shock:
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oh, and Alexandre...

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don't disrespect our Canadian servicemen and women again. They happen to fighting (with honour, bravery, and distinction)-and dying- arm-in-arm with your servicemen and women RIGHT NOW. I know, I have family and friends over there. So you can have all the right wing views you want, spout off all you want, but do not do that again.

'nuff said.
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