Is a Trojan a worthy brand to restore

[RWS]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTw1lzxTAis

but seriously folks, i get tremendous compliments and astonished reactions when a newcomer boards my 10 meter.

her beam...

her usable space

her seating capabilities...

the private forward berth...

the curved interiors...

the overhead built into the ceiling HVAC ducts

the electric sliding doors, which incidentally still work 31 years later...

the star trek dash pod design

then there's that dry, stable Delta Conic hull RIDE where she feels like a forty footer.

not to mention her teak, wetbar, two fridges/icemaker, full galley, and yada yada yada.

Ammenities and creature comforts not found in any 31 year old 33' Bertie, either.

RWS

[ready123]

I suggest you google:

BERTRAM DELAMINATION

RWS

You mean like this?

[Allen Sr]

OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!

[RWS]

sunk Bertram 63'

http://www.yachtforums.com/forums/bertr ... 630-a.html


Dasvid Pascoe website other Bertram hull failures & discussion:

http://www.yachtsurvey.com/bad_news_for_Bertram.htm


The first owner on my ten meter had her for 18 years.

I'm the second owner now in year 13.

Now THAT says something !

RWS

[todd brinkerhoff]

Scott,

Why did you get out of Trojans and buy a Carver?

For everyone else, if you had an option of buying another boat (and money is an object...no crazy spending. Trying to be realistic), what would you get? Would it be another Trojan?

[RWS]

Scott,

Why did you get out of Trojans and buy a Carver?

For everyone else, if you had an option of buying another boat (and money is an object...no crazy spending. Trying to be realistic), what would you get? Would it be another Trojan?

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38 - 42 Tiara or Formula with diesels

That said, these do not exist in my price "range" .

However, money is ALWAYS a part of the equation.

It's really simple: If your engines are in good condition, there is little reason to replace them.

Run them as they were intended and come up with an annual budget for fuel.

It boils down to how do you use your boat? How many overnights aboard, meals cooked, adventures taken?

Or maybe it's time to downsize or up-size?

However...

Engines worn or blown = DECISION TIME

patch and sell

repair & keep

overhaul and keep

restore and keep

or repower, restore & keep.

KEEP IN MIND THAT THE BIGGEST COST OF OWNING A NEW BOAT IS DEPRECIATION.

If you don't pay cash, add in the interest expense and increased insurance expense.

What do you think the depreciation costs would be on a brand new 36' Tiara or Formula with diesels say, after 10 - 15 years?

Now add in the interest expense you paid, and the increased insurance expense paid out in total over that period of time.

These factors are significant, and worthy of consideration.

RWS

[prowlersfish]

Bertram, isn't that the company that made those awesome Trojan International hulls?

Nope Trojan did

[prowlersfish]

Scott,

Why did you get out of Trojans and buy a Carver?

For everyone else, if you had an option of buying another boat (and money is an object...no crazy spending. Trying to be realistic), what would you get? Would it be another Trojan?

He got a Silverton , I let him tell you the story .

to answer you question Down east or Chesapeake style boat with a single diesel or a Viking

[RWS]

Bertram, isn't that the company that made those awesome Trojan International hulls?

Nope Trojan did

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i think Todd was being cheeky.

RWS

[RWS]

and yet another reason I am glad to have repowered my International (this comes every week)

From:
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 12:07 PM
To:
Subject: Edison Oil Co fuel delivery prices for August 22nd, 2014

Good morning,
Here are the fuel delivery prices for August 22nd, 2014


75-250 gallons of non ethanol—4.329
75-250 gallons of off road diesel—3.509 not including sales tax
75-250 gallons of off road diesel—3.754 including 7% sales tax

add in all the items previously discussed in this thread.....

yeah, the International was WORTHY.


RWS

[gettaway]

Scott,

Why did you get out of Trojans and buy a Carver?

For everyone else, if you had an option of buying another boat (and money is an object...no crazy spending. Trying to be realistic), what would you get? Would it be another Trojan?

Todd,

as Prowlerfish (Paul) stated, I bought a Silverton 37C, however, When I sold the F-32, it was kind of on a "Lark", I had come upon a early 80's F-36, and it was a similar situation as the F-32 when I bought it. I was owned by an elderly gentleman and he was essentially unloading it for about $9500.00. it needed the same cosmetic TLC as the F-32 did, it had Chrysler 440 that were supposedly just rebuilt. The boat was up in Oxnard CA, which would have been a long open water trip in a new old boat - concern # 1, I made the 4 hour drive up to look at the boat several times and inspected it closely and there was nothing that was a major deal breaker at the asking price. I did find one aft fuel tank had been emptied and sealed due to a leak, meaning the remaining 3 were at their lifes end - concern #2, I then found one of the exhaust manifolds (Osco) was leaking A/F on the bottom side, I used a wire brush and flashlight and found it cracked - concern #3- newly rebuilt with a cracked manifold? , however, the old guy was steadfastly confident in the motors and he started them for me, they were cold engines and they started instantly, ran strong and sounded like 440's , transmissions shifted F-N-R, engaged into gear quickly and were quiet.

I stewed on the idea of taking on another project for a couple of weeks, and came to the conclusion that I would almost triple my investment in Lark and I would have the cash to fix the F-36 as I wanted, as in new fuel tanks, new exhaust systems, canvas and interior.

The F-36 is a lot bigger boat than the F-32 and I wanted more room. so, I put Lark up for sale on Craigslist and I sold it that morning, with 2 back up offers, the buyer went to the bank and brought me a bank check for the boat. I called the owner of the F-36 right after the buyers left the marina, and he told me he had just, literally and hour before, sold the F-36......Panic !!!!!
Ironically, the Silverton had just come on the market, we made a deal and it didn't need nearly the work of the Trojan and is a very big 37' boat and I still made a little money... it was the silver lining...which is what we named her

Point being, I sold the F-32 to buy an F-36, we really like the Silverton, she is a big, stable roomy 37' boat that feels more like a 40-42' boat, but the F-series Trojans have the classic sportfish lines,

[todd brinkerhoff]

Sorry Scott, Silverton...Got it. That is a very good story, and cool boat name.

[gettaway]

Todd

No worries, anything other than a Trojan is just a boat

[gettaway]

and yet another reason I am glad to have repowered my International (this comes every week)

From:
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 12:07 PM
To:
Subject: Edison Oil Co fuel delivery prices for August 22nd, 2014

Good morning,
Here are the fuel delivery prices for August 22nd, 2014


75-250 gallons of non ethanol—4.329
75-250 gallons of off road diesel—3.509 not including sales tax
75-250 gallons of off road diesel—3.754 including 7% sales tax

add in all the items previously discussed in this thread.....

yeah, the International was WORTHY.


RWS

RWS, Please don't take this wrong, I am not arguing the benefits of a diesel re-power, as I would do it in a second if I could afford it..but, when talking economics and the price differences of fuel, the fuel prices you posted reflect a $0.65 per gallon savings for diesel over gasoline (w/ tax), it would take 92,307 gallons of diesel to break even on a $60,000 re-power project (46,153 gallons for $30K), this does not factor in the increased fuel efficiency of diesels, , so, let's say a 30% increase in fuel economy, you would still have to burn 64,614 gallons on a 60K or 32,307 gallons on a 32K re-power project to make the cost of fuel savings justify a re-power to diesel.

[RWS]

you have left out a few items.

1 assuming the existing gas engines were done, finished, kaput, tired (like mine were) requiring replacement, factor THAT cost into the equation.

2. when the time comes to sell that boat, the diesel will sell for MORE than the gas version, ESPECIALLY if it is and of course the RELIABILITY factor.

3. When the time comes to sell, instead of languishing on the market with many similarly aged and powered gas boats, the diesel will sell far more QUICKLY

4. the boat will be used MORE for longer adventures and farther destinations - broader horizons

5. operational safety factors - fire/explosion and carbon monoxide

6. reliability factors with a new diesel engine with a warranty and all new bolt on components.

Items #1, 2 & 3 above have a legitimate cash value to factor into the equation.

Items #4, 5 & 6 are feel good items, good for the heart & soul of a boater.

It's not a straight accounting decision.

NEITHER IS BOATING IN THE FIRST PLACE.

RWS